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Which intake should I use?
Edelbrock Performer 80%  80%  [ 4 ]
Edelbrock Torker II 20%  20%  [ 1 ]
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 Post Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:13 pm 
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After going to the yards today I came across a torker II intake sitting in an olds with a sbc in it. Bought it for $40 which I think was a deal. Now concerning the question at hand.

I used the Edelbrock Performer initially cause it was available, and it matched my 2000 stall and summit .442/.465 cam, which was more geared for torque and street driving. But now, my new choice of camshaft and stall has moved my rpm range up and now has me considering this new Torker II intake. With the 700r4's gear, torque converter, and 3.73 gears, the motor is going to spin up in the rpms pretty #### fast....in theory. So which should I go with, the Performer or the Torker II? Here are the new specs of my build:

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-Standard bore 350
-Forged crank, 2 bolt mains
-9.2:1 CR
-Voodoo 60103 cam, .489/.504 lift, 227/233 duration @ .050
-882 heads, ported, 2.02/1.60 valves, flow better than vortecs
-1.5 stamped rockers (possibly 1.6 rockers later)
-Edelbrock 1406 600cfm carb (have 750cfm carter and BG as well)

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- 1985 700r4 fully built
- Dacco Performance Converter 2300-2500 stall
-1986 monte ss rear end, 3.73 auburn posi


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 Post Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:42 pm 
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Why not go with the rpm airgap?

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 Post Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:43 pm 
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Because these two intakes in the poll are the ones I have. If someone offers, I'd be willing to trade both for an rpm air gap.


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 Post Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:46 pm 
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Well in that case go with the torker II

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 Post Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:51 pm 
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any particular reason? Looking for explanation cause I'm learning how to match up the cam, converter, and other factors up with a choice of intake. Would you say that most of my setup is matched?


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 Post Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:29 pm 
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The voodoo cam has an rpm range of 1800-6200 and the torker works from 2500-6500 and the performer works from idle to 5500. So the new cam will work better with the torker and the stall is already in the range of when the cam is starting to work plus the 373 gears will need the extra rpm aswell. You may find the 600 carb is too small.
I hope this helps you a bit better.

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 Post Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:40 pm 
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If you're gonna use what you have. I agree ^^^ use the Torker II @2500-6500rpm. The Performer's upper rpm range Idle-5500rpm isn't high enough for that Cam. The RPM style intake's 1500-6500rpm range would be best.
Use the 750cfm Carb also.

I was thinking while bowtie was posting. :D


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 Post Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:50 pm 
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I read a seperate thread somewhere that with a single plane intake, you need less carb while with a dual plane you need more carb. I'm wondering about the 750cfm carb just because my old man runs a 750 demon on his 440 Dodge Dart, and that thing is making 650hp/700lb naturally aspirated. This just leaves me to question why a milder sbc would need that much carb. I'm not being a ########, I'm just young and wanting to learn more and more as I go on with the hobby.

I put an ad on craigslist to see if anyone would be willing to trade a performer rpm or air gap for both my performer and torker intake. If not, I'll use the torker intake.


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patmckinneyracing wrote:
I read a seperate thread somewhere that with a single plane intake, you need less carb while with a dual plane you need more carb. I'm wondering about the 750cfm carb just because my old man runs a 750 demon on his 440 Dodge Dart, and that thing is making 650hp/700lb naturally aspirated. This just leaves me to question why a milder sbc would need that much carb. I'm not being a ########, I'm just young and wanting to learn more and more as I go on with the hobby.

I put an ad on craigslist to see if anyone would be willing to trade a performer rpm or air gap for both my performer and torker intake. If not, I'll use the torker intake.

The 750 demon is equal to a 850 holley, as that is what i was told by the tech dept at demon and also a very reputable engine builder in my area.

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 Post Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:14 pm 
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What type of usage does the car see? Street 100%? Strip 100%? Some combination thereof? Although the Torker is a single plane, it's a low rise style that really doesn't perform that well in high rpms. The Performer is a more modern design that will have much better torque under the curve-especially with a 227* cam that is all done at 5500 for the most part.

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 Post Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:43 pm 
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Use the torker II, performers are tiny.

My personal opinion without the restrictions of using what you got.....performer is a waste of money, if you need one then you actually need a performer RPM.

You ought to consider the bigger carbs too. 600 is tiny, especially if the heads will outflow vortecs.


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 Post Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:47 pm 
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From what I've read, the 600 gives better throttle response with a bit of a lack on top end.

The car will see primarily highway driving since I have to take the highway to get anywhere around here, with some track and autocross.


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patmckinneyracing wrote:
From what I've read, the 600 gives better throttle response with a bit of a lack on top end.

The car will see primarily highway driving since I have to take the highway to get anywhere around here, with some track and autocross.

I had a 600 holeey before and it had great throttle respeonse but nothing top end it was running out of gas, the whole setup was too lean. You will need a bigger carb.

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 Post Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:06 pm 
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The Torker II is a dog. The base model Performer will whip it's ### anywhere below about 5500-6000, which is about all that Summit K1103 house brand cam is going to want to make power in anyway.

The real "secret weapon" WITH YOUR CURRENT CAM would be a Performer EPS or equivalient Weiand Street Warrior intake. Those intakes will beat your old school base-model Performer intake in the lower RPMs while giving up NOTHING to it anywhere above that. Either one will whip the pathetic Torker II EVERYWHERE in the sub-6000 RPM range.

If you upgrade to a hotter cam like that Voodoo you posted I would step up to a Performer RPM or new-design Weiand Steath intake. Don't bother with either of the intakes you posted about. If you MUST choose between the two I would STILL choose the Performer. What it gives up at the extreme top end (if anything) will be more than offset by it's greater mid range torque.

The Troker II is just a really old-school, really bad intake. It gives up low RPM torque without picking up any high RPM HP in return. Modern computer designed dual-plane intakes like the Performer RPM will whip it's ### everywhere in the RPM range.

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Would you suggest the carter competition 750 or the barry grant 750. If the demon 750 is like an 850 holley, than my barry grant should act the same way.

I'm using the voodoo cam now, but the summit k1103 cam was an excellent cam the 5 years I used it and couldn't have been happier with it.


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