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 Post Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:10 am 
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I would imagine some of the T-10s/T-16s were in Ford or Chrysler vehicles, don't quote me.

The rings mentioned that are on the input shaft run perpendicular to the splines, around shaft, seen here:
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http://www.auto-ware.com/techref/transratios.htm
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Ways to i.d. what ratios the trans has:
Saginaw 4 Speed:
All cast iron, No separator plate between front case and tail housing. All shift levers (3) in the side cover.
7 bolt side cover. Lowest rotational weight.

No lines on the input shaft  1st-2.84   2nd-2.01  3rd-1.35  4th-1.00
1 line on the input shaft    1st-2.54   2nd-1.80  3rd-1.44  4th-1.00
2 lines on the input shaft   1st-3.11   2nd-2.20  3rd-1.47  4th-1.00
3 lines on the input shaft   1st-3.50   2nd-2.47  3rd-1.65  4th-1.00


Saginaw 3 Speed:
All cast iron, No separator plate between front case and tail housing. 7 bolt side cover. Lowest rotational weight.

No lines on the input shaft  1st-2.85   2nd-1.68  3rd-1.00
1 line on the input shaft    1st-2.51   2nd-1.50  3rd-1.00
2 lines on the input shaft   1st-3.11   2nd-1.84  3rd-1.00
3 lines on the input shaft   1st-3.50   2nd-1.89  3rd-1.00

Muncie 4 Speed:
All aluminum, 7 bolt side cover.
Casting numbers may end  with 336, 010, 660, or 661

No lines on the input shaft- Early Wide Ratio   1st-2.56  2nd-1.91  3rd-1.48 4th-1.00
OR M-22 with same ratios as below
1 line on the input shaft-Close Ratio           1st-2.20  2nd-1.64  3rd-128  4th-1.00
2 lines on the input shaft-Late Wide Ratio      1st-2.54  2nd-1.88  3rd-1.46 4th-1.00

Second Design Borg-Warner Super T-10:
9 Bolt side cover. May be all aluminum, all cast iron, or half and half
2 lines on the input shaft  1st-2.43   2nd-1.61  3rd-1.23 4th-1.00
3 lines on the input shaft  1st-2.64   2nd-1.75  3rd-1.33 4th-1.00
5 lines on the input shaft  1st-3.42   2nd-2.28  3rd-1.46 4th-1.00
6 lines on the input shaft  1st-2.88   2nd-1.91  3rd-1.33 4th-1.00

Trans            1st    2nd    3rd    4th

Warner T-16      2.41   1.57   1.00   --
Warner T-16      2.86   1.71   1.00   --
Warner T-10      2.54   1.92   1.51   1.00
Warner T-10      2.10   1.64   1.31   1.00
Warner T-10      2.54   1.89   1.51   1.00
Warner T-10      2.36   1.78   1.41   1.00
Warner T-10      2.36   1.76   1.41   1.00
Warner T-10      2.73   2.04   1.50   1.00
Warner T-10      2.36   1.62   1.20   1.00
B-W Super T-10   2.64   1.61   1.23   1.00
B-W Super T-10   2.64   1.75   1.33   1.00
B-W Super T-10   2.88   1.74   1.33   1.00
B-W Super T-10   3.44   2.28   1.46   1.00
B-W Super T-10   2.23   1.77   1.35   1.00
B-W Super T-10   2.43   1.61   1.23   1.00
B-W Super T-10   2.43   1.76   1.47   1.00
B-W Super T-10   2.64   2.10   1.60   1.00
B-W Super T-10   2.64   2.10   1.46   1.00


http://www.smokemup.com/tech/700r4.php
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AUTOMATICS
Trans            1st    2nd    3rd    4th

Turbo 350        2.52   1.52   1.00   --
Turbo 400        2.48   1.48   1.00   --
700R4/4L60/E     3.06   1.63   1.00   0.70
2004R            2.74   1.57   1.00   0.67
4L80E            2.48   1.48   1.00   0.75
Power Glide      1.76   1.00   --     --
                 1.82   1.00   --     --
The 1.76 has a 12 7/8" long input shaft and a cast steel carrier.    
The 1.82 has a 12 5/8" long input shaft and a stamped steel carrier.


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 Post Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:23 am 
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Updated... fixed ratios, added PG ratios and consolodated.

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 Post Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:42 am 
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Ok, so I got nothin' on this guy...

http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/transmi ... 30771.html

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Thanks doober. I didnt need them but ill write them down anyway.

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 Post Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:27 pm 
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IIRC, a teeny bit of the Muncie info is erratic. There never was a 2.54 1st gear. Only 2.20, 2.52 & 2.56.

Also, just an FYI-a fine spline input shaft doesn't indicate M22, nor does a fill plug on the case. 67-70 M22 were 10 spline input. 70-74 were 26 spline, so a no-ring input shaft with 10 splines can be an M20, so be careful when you try to ID M22s. The sure way is to count input shaft rings & gear teeth. If it doesn't have rings, but doesn't have 26 teeth, it's not an M22. M20's have 21 or 24.

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To add to Tommy's post. The angle of the cut on the gears is different on the M-22, resulting in the distinct sound difference of a Rockcrusher.

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Good info. Thanks Doober.

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